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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 10:56am | IP Logged Quote MacAttack

After a breif adventure into CAV fiction (without the aid of a saftey net or any official source material) some points have come up...

Ok, CAVs come across like modern Helo-Gunships, with a pilot and a WSO.

So the question is...

Who gets to fire the guns...

Also, is the cockpit layout Pilot-WSO, or WSO-Pilot (think Cobra, Apahche etc).

Are we going to see any CAVs with sides-by-side cockpits (think A-6 Intruder).

Another point - escape systems - do thses things carry ejection seats?????

Answers on a large postcard to...

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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 1:28pm | IP Logged Quote Chrome

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Who gets to fire the guns


The Wizzo handles targetting, ECM/ECCM, and firing the guns.
The Pilot drives the beast, communicates w/the rest of the unit/chain of command, handles repairs, maintains situational awareness of the conflict and puts his CAV in position for his Wizzo to tear shit up.

Both guys also have to be able to perform the other one's job if their partner gets killed.

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Also, is the cockpit layout Pilot-WSO, or WSO-Pilot

Yes, but not sure about the order. Like the Apache and Cobra, it probably differs from one CAV to the next.

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Are we going to see any CAVs with sides-by-side cockpits

It looks like the Scorpion has one.

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do thses things carry ejection seats

Yes, and there are rules in the FAQ (iirc) for using ejected crew members as Infantry units (whom are almost dead).

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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 2:18pm | IP Logged Quote ravezero

Full ejection rules will most likely be in the Journal of Recognition sourcebook.

Also, ejected crew represented by an infantry stand with 2 wounds doesn't necessarily mean wounded crew, just a good way to represent two "flyboys" that just punched out, and not having any armor. One hit kills 'em, whereas it takes 3 hits to put down a stand of 4 infantry.

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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 3:32pm | IP Logged Quote Chrome

Good point RZ, I hadn't considered that.

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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 3:57pm | IP Logged Quote Akela

WSO shoots the guns (pilot is backup)

Layout as per CAV design, if tandem then WSO in back

Ejection as per CAV design, most send them out the canopy, some eject a "sled" or a cockpit area.

Something I'd love to see in future fiction and hopefully as I add input to the area will be WSO-Pilot trust relationship.

We're working on the artwork and text to convey this but when a WSO is "deep in" (interfacing with the battle and targeting computer) he or she has little practical awareness of the battlefield. The data of the interface is so overwhelming that WSOs are trained to use only the data they need to kill their enemies, toggle weapon and targeting systems, and coordinate defensive fire. Pilots are also busy maneauvering the CAV and setting up line-of-sight opportunities (through verbal coodination with the WSO), activating the repair systems when needed, and working with the chain of command that they can't really worry about if the CAV is about to kill so and so. If they spend time worrying about that... due to the fluid nature of the modern battlefield... their dead.

So... the mark of an Elite Crew is that those two trust each other to a degree many people even in some happy marriages can't understand. Basically imagine a green Pilot's horror as an enemy Vanquisher or Dictator comes around a hillside and if he/she had control of the guns.. that sucker would be hammered (or at least peppered)... and the WSO doesn't shoot it until later because he or she is green as well. Well... a situation like that and the pilot starts wishing the fire switch on his control stick were live.

Vice versa in an Elite crew or Ace crew... the Pilot sees the target and within miliseconds the CAVs arms and firing systems pick up on it and the pilot can focus on getting the CAV out of a bad position or into a better one or coordinating with the rest of the section for that turning maneuver or what have you.

I guess a better example would be a Tank crew and not an aircraft crew. The driver and TC are the "pilot" (in a lot of ways) and the gunner and loader are the "WSO" (with a little TC thrown in in regards to target response).

"Gotit" is a common cockpit sound I would imagine. "Got it" said so fast that it sounds like nearly one word, one syllable. As the pilot picks up a target and directs the WSO's attention to it the WSO responds with "Gotit." In a green crew... the pilot would still worry about that target until it was killed... in an Ace crew.. either the WSO was already killing it before the Pilot even saw it or the moment the WSO says "Gotit" the Pilot puts the target out of his or her mind.

Also Pilots are more like normal people than WSOs. A normal civilian can understand what Pilots do. A normal civilian cannot fathom how the WSO interfaces with the computer (it's not a neural interlink but full body involvement through gloves, switches, VR holographic interfaces, etc.) or how a brain no matter how well trained, experienced, or hopped up on drugs can process data that fast. Even their battle uniforms would help make a WSO appear less "human" than the Pilot - a WSO coming out of a cockpit would dangle interface leads and cables out of his or her arms, fingers, helmet where a pilot pops off the helmet and it just wearing a cool suit. Not to mention the fact that... the WSO is this cold blooded monster that literally trains each and every day to look or point at something and it dies a scorching horrible gauss riddled death. If there's anyone that's a "professional killer" in a CAV cockpit... it's the WSO.

Anyway... those are the ideas bouncing around in my head. We've gone through several versions and brainstorming sessions and this is the direction it seems to be going.

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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 4:33pm | IP Logged Quote Chrome

Kick. Ass.

I may have just changed my character's occupation to Wizzo.

You mention the VR helmets and gloves. Definately cool! I have images of Keanu in Johnny Mnuemonic when he's hacking into the 'net.

Now here's a question Akela: Any chances that a CAV's main guns are fired by the Wizzo making a 'gun' with his index finger and thumb and 'firing' it at his target?

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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 5:09pm | IP Logged Quote MacAttack

Guess that makes my fiction slightly "wrong" then .



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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 5:12pm | IP Logged Quote Akela

Right now the winning interface is that the VR helmet once locked down (it's a visor) creates a slightly greater than 180 degree bowl around the WSO. Like an IMAX theater... kinda.

That is a recreation of the battlefield. Targets towards the top of the bowl are "behind" the CAV and targets towards the bottom are "under" the CAV. The left hand sits on a button-filled monstrosity of a weapons selection interface... switches, toggles, buttons, sliders, etc. and this controls the ECM, weapon selection/deselection, and toggles the defensive fire.

(usually the computer just automatically shoots at anything that attacks the CAV... unless the WSO holds down an override... so don't "friendly fire" a Rhino... bad idea.)

The right hand "glove" has a cylinder stitched into the palm with the fire button where the thumb can hit it. Each of the other fingers is a target precedence selector. Index finger is primary target, middle finger secondary, ring finger tertiary, and pinky finger quaternary target (four targets is max queue).. this sets up the computer's autokill sequence and once set allows the WSO to devote a little more time to ECM and various other things like that. Of course the WSO is constantly updating the kill sequence in response to threats and ECM and defensive fire and how the pilot navigates, etc. However the CAV doesn't "shoot" until the WSO hits the trigger.

So yes the WSO "points" at a target but doesn't make a "bang-bang" sign. However the weapons systems fire in response to depressing the thumb trigger and whatever weapon combination the left hand (and all its myriad switches) have chosen.

As you can imagine, even though (unlike some people believe) the CAV is not "spinning like a top" thanks to Bellar ball-and-socket joints in the arms and missile pods, plus Artificial gravity compensators in the cockpit and gsuits... the crew still gets tossed around pretty good. So the WSO is very securely "strapped in."

This is another reason the WSO must trust the Pilot because literally... his or her life is in the pilot's hands... the pilot controls Ejection and where they eject. There's no way a WSO can easily extract himself or herself from their battle harness once he or she is "deep in" nor will a WSO within the first few disorienting moments of Ejection even have any idea where they are as their brains "slow down" and readjust to the real world.

This is the interface as is currently planned based on discussion. Originally based on the Hughes-Marietta "Cyclops Mark I" Battlefield Weapons Systems Interface that was copied and implemented in most cases.


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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 5:13pm | IP Logged Quote Akela

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Guess that makes my fiction slightly "wrong" then


It still rocked.



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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 5:22pm | IP Logged Quote MacAttack

quote:

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Guess that makes my fiction slightly "wrong" then


It still rocked.



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Thanks. Guess I just have to do better next time (and get the rules book ).

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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 6:08pm | IP Logged Quote ravezero

Personally, I'm more enamored with the Wizzo (and perhaps even the pilot) using digital interface plugs. Jacking in is an overused cyber-sci-fi term, but I still like the effect. Want to talk inhuman? How about a wizzo that is completely shaved across his entire body, chromed-metallic nodes blistering all over his body - ports for plugs in a CAV. He plugs in and looks like something from a Geiger painting. Twirling, twisting cables and wires all interlaced and plugged into scalp, brow, neck, spine, etc...a myriad of multicolored cables shifting and bobbing any time he turns his head. His interface isn't so much a VR helmet (although it still could be) as it is the back of his eyelids.

Mmmm...cyber-CAV....

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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 6:39pm | IP Logged Quote Akela

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Jacking in is an overused cyber-sci-fi term



We certainly thought about it don't get me wrong. Most of us (myself included) played/play CyberPunk in its various incarnations.

I envision that the various powers had their "honeymoon" with "trodes" or "jacks" or what have you... and when Combat Hackers or Psyros or whatever hostile aggressive power ripped into the neural net of a multi-billion credit/dollar CAV and fried the brain of a seasoned combat veteran and left the CAV intact then hacked into this CAV that already had a built in digital interface system that was built to work on faint electrial impulses... and took over... the honeymoon was over.

Ooops... now I might or might not be giving Psyro secrets away. ;)



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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 10:08pm | IP Logged Quote Paladin

Give the secrets :)

Wanna know about Psyros.

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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 10:54pm | IP Logged Quote Medron Pryde

I think Medron has just decided he wants to be a Wizzo.......;-)

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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 11:41pm | IP Logged Quote Frank Vickers

So a few CAV's get jacked by hostile forces and so you decide to cripple every CAV crew afterwards???

Jeez, gimme a power suit any day.

What I mean is this: you have nerves an dmuscles controlling your hands, fingers, eyes and head. This we all know.

Now what if you could bypass a lot of those nerves and all of those muscles? You'd half your reaction time, if not more. This is a known scientific fact that has prompted more mutilations in the name of faster responce times than any sicko ever lived.

If you go with such a system, you'd not back out to the old system once you found a bug...too much money and too many lives would be in the balance, mainly because some people/nations would phase out those faster CAV's slower than others, so you'd simply make it a lot better. The first thing would be to encrypt all transmissions and prevent hackers getting into the system in the first place (ever tried to hack a main battle tank or jet fighter with a laptop and a microwave transciever? No, cos everyone knows it don't work). You could also isolate the wizzo from any trancievers (you already said the pilot does the comm work) aside from the ones for ECM, targeting sensors and ECCM arrays. Specialised systems which make it very hard to backtrack a signal into the core fo the system.....no signal in then no hack.

Then, if my mate in the back is wired into his seat and console and getting much faster reaction times, then being a pilot I want that as well because I want to live as much as anyone. I know speed is life in battle, and want to get as much of it as I can inside my cockpit. Make sense.....

As for the wizzo/pilot thing, well I ain't sure about that one. Personally I prefer the gunner's position but since the pilot is the commander, I guess my character has to be the pilot or else I'm just some grunt wizzo in the back of a CAV piloted by someone else. Kinda makes for less enjoyable roleplay, I think.

And did I hear drug enduced somewhere in this thread? Perhaps linked with faster thinking.......now that's a drug I wouldn't mind :o)

And let's not forget this universe belongs to Reaper and they can mould it in any way. Just an unwritten law that says that a CAV's computers and (more importantly) the wizzo himself, can't be cracked, hacked or phreaked. It has worked in lots of different other games (lasers firing 600m for example) so why can't you do something like that here?

As for the placement and number of the ports, the current thinking (both in sci-fi terms and scientific terms) is the base of the skull is the bst place. That way you bypass the entire peripheral nervous system and musculature but nit directly into the central nervous system without wasting any movement signals.... One at the back is all that's really needed. Accordin to current thinking. You'd not need a helmet (or a display anyway), as the interface could simply project your console's HUD into your mind without needing to use any of your local hardware for anything (eyes and ears and hands become redundant while inside the CAV). This would still allow for the lag you were hinting at when enjecting etc. Afterall, if you've just been inside a computer and had it linked with your brain, and you were rudely removed from that environment, your brain would still need to slow down and begin accepting information from local sensors instead of the linked ones again. This would allow for a good turn or more of disorientation in which the pilot (assuming lesser or no emersion) would be responsible for the wizzo's life still.

Akela, nice name btw :o), I agree with your statement - most people who've never experienced that kind of closeness couldn't even comprehend it. I was tight with my oppos in the engine compartments, but somehting like a tank or plane crew would be intense. Just for analogy purposes, I assumed that a CAV was very similar to the B2.....in terms of controling it anyway....

Dunno if anything helps, but that's my tupence worth anyway :o)

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Posted: 29 August 2001 at 11:57pm | IP Logged Quote ravezero

tupence = two pence?

anyhow, Frank, I wouldn't accept too much of what you think as science fact to actually be fact. More like wishful thinking.

As for wires and nodes all over the place, it's more for the fiction and setting than anything else, although you'd think those pilots would have IVs and such plugged in.

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Posted: 30 August 2001 at 12:04am | IP Logged Quote Frank Vickers

Rave, I think you'd be surprised the stuff that is in most scientifi journals and university labs. VEry interesting stuff......

Never under-estimate the power of a hobby :o) Especially when it's also a passion....

Tupence (sp?) is two pence, and thepence is three pence. Just a little Ye Olde English lesson for everyone :o)

And yeah, that got me in the Not Named Game, but there were enough holes in that to fill a drift net so I didn't bring it up. IV glucose (with added bite) would be increbily useful although would need some major 'biscuits brown' to help get back into the rhythm later.

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The first thing would be to encrypt all transmissions and prevent hackers getting into the system in the first place (ever tried to hack a main battle tank or jet fighter with a laptop and a microwave transciever? No, cos everyone knows it don't work).


You do see the inherent flaw of falling on current tech impossibilities to explain or negate future-tech possibilities right?

Sure, Popular Mechanics tells me they've flown an F-5 Tiger on neural impulses from a pilot on the ground. I say... "Nobody was shooting at the plane or jamming that signal were they?"

Your stance is most certainly not new. It's the trode/jacked-in argument. Tim (the artist behind the Dana character) even has extensive drawings of various heads hard wired into various bits of technology exactly as you and Ravezero describe.

Now, the trend among fans of this genre is to embrace future-tech and think it the answer to alll so-and-so problems. Now for fear of being branded a Luddite or "anti-technology" let me say that I work in the Tech field as my normal profession and am quite a gadgeteer myself.. I'm the son of many skilled engineers and I enjoy my "tech toys" very much. Still, that said... let me play devil's advocate.

Let's assume the weapons system of this super-technology CAV is directly wired into the thought impulse system of a person. Here are some rhetorical questions - how many times per day do you have thoughts that you don't know why you thought them? When you try to concentrate on a single thing, how many times does your mind wander? Ever try to think of "nothing at all?" How successful are you? (And before someone goes on about meditation or training I'll have yall know I studied Buddhist meditation principles for over a decade, I can slow my own heart rate and negate localized pain at will... which I discovered the hard way I still remembered how to do after an operation a few years back.. and I still have trouble controlling my thoughts) Now, knowing how jittery my own mind is... what if a Gauss cannon were tied to it? Ever try to do two or three things at a time and get annoyed because someone is trying to distract you or get your attention? That said... how many times have you thought about saying something but somewhere between thinking about saying it and activating your mouth to actually say it.. you changed your mind. How is that far different from pushing a firing switch?

The devil's advocate asks... "Why would I tie the weapons systems of the most lethal combat machine in the galaxy to a brain directly?"

On another track, if a programmer coded "an unbreakable code" or an "unhackable" operating system... how would other hackers respond? If a mortal mind conceived and implemented it, is it unlikely that another mortal mind would conceive of a counter? Tell me "it can't be done" and I'll find you someone who will say "wanna bet?" That's the way we are. (fortunately I have aliens so there are some races I can actually say.. "they don't think that way" but I wouldn't, not about this. Not to a major race anyway)

One simple way... If a targetting computer interprets targets and friend and foe through the IFF that is a beamed signal coordinated from all sorts of places... what if you scrambled the beam or inserted your own signal into it?

Anyway, it should be obvious to anyone with the thought ability greater than a 12 year old that you could take this argument and "point/counterpoint" it to death and wind up accomplishing nothing but irritating the person you're discussing with and you degenerate into a mailing list with 1700+ posts into a single month accomplishing little.

My purpose in this post was simply to put but two of the "pro human" arguments up that counter the "pro tech" response to the classic cyberpunk answer of "jacking in" (that it solves all woes about speed or efficiency).

Pondering all the possibilities of technology are fun but a line has to be drawn in the game/universe at some point. It hasn't been drawn yet (so who knows Frank/RaveZero) so you may yet see "trodes" and "neural ware" in the game.

I guess I'll close my session of "junkyard philosophy" with an old saying I grew up with. My grandfather used to say "More is not better, better is better."

Meaning that if; before taking the "gimme more cyber" or "gimme more gadgets" stance in a future argument one simply acknowledges that it may be not only conceivable but highly probable that time and combat may prove that a well trained "meat sack" with some experience and training is every bit as efficient as the latest chipware... I'll be happy.

LOL My my... I need to sleep.

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Posted: 30 August 2001 at 9:11am | IP Logged Quote ravezero

Hey, I was just saying it would be cool, not that it would be better. ;)

Frank, you also can't believe everything you read, regardless of where it comes from. Oh, and that's about the farthest thing from old english as I've yet seen (hell, most Americans think Shakespeare was "old english"...you can imagine their shock when they find out it's actually modern english poetry...) Now, you being a Brit I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and your own education system and say you knew that wasn't old english and you were merely jesting.

Remember everyone:

Shakespeare = Modern English
Chaucer = Middle English
Beowulf* = Old English


(* not the author, no one knows who wrote it.)

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Posted: 30 August 2001 at 9:57am | IP Logged Quote Chrome

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Anyway, it should be obvious to anyone with the thought ability greater than a 12 year old that you could take this argument and "point/counterpoint" it to death and wind up accomplishing nothing but irritating the person you're discussing with and you degenerate into a mailing list with 1700+ posts into a single month accomplishing little.


ROFLMAO! I've seen something like that before!

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Beowulf* = Old English


(* not the author, no one knows who wrote it.)



Yeah :) But that doesn't really matter one bit if it kicks some.

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Posted: 30 August 2001 at 8:45pm | IP Logged Quote Frank Vickers

Rave, I was partly joking and partly serious.

Most of the Britons you speak to under the age of 25 will most likely consider that stuff old English since it was around in Victoria days (and a long way before) but since decimalisation that kinda stuff has died out. My generation considers anything before 1975 to be Ye Olde English in a jovial way of poking fun at our parents and stuff :o) And if anyone is interested, add Hapenny to that list too :o) It's half a penny, roughly 1/420 of a pound now.

Akela (have I mentioned that I think that's a cool name yet?), I agree totally. There will always be someone willing to prove you wrong (usually me :o)), and I also agree we could go on for months on the subject.

However, if I might make a suggestion. A game which shall remain nameless had a similar system but it was for fanatics due to the damage it did, had some serious side effects and was costly as hell. I can see this stuff appealing to some, so provided there isn't the 'dead in 5 years' thing I could see it being appealing (esp from a roleplay point of view) but not everyone's cup of tea. Make it optional, and have drawbacks which balance out the gains (like the EMP from a PBG causes a disruption or something). Just a thought....

Rave, I have always had a philosphy. If my lecturer/teacher tells me something I tend to trust/believe him or her. My biology lecturer and my physics lecturer and a friend who is a cybernetics lecturer told me bits and bobs and we've dicsussed this stuff extensively (from the POV of my own stories). So until someone can prove my teachers were lying through their teeth or my friend is making up his experimental data, I think I'll be believeing them. Afterall, they're paid to teach me stuff or to learn new stuff........

As for Big Bill, it's not modern English, as far as I know. I'll ask my old English teacher but I'm sure she'll agree. It's certainly prose though. But how can Chaucer be middle english while Shakespeare is modern when Chaucer is AFTER Shakespeare. You may as well say Dickens is a science fiction author!!!!

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Posted: 30 August 2001 at 11:15pm | IP Logged Quote Kalia

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As for Big Bill, it's not modern English, as far as I know. I'll ask my old English teacher but I'm sure she'll agree. It's certainly prose though. But how can Chaucer be middle english while Shakespeare is modern when Chaucer is AFTER Shakespeare. You may as well say Dickens is a science fiction author!!!!


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Chaucer was writing just BEFORE Henry the VII returned to power (Tudors). He was actually related to the woman who provided Henry VII with a claim to England’s throne (he was living in exile in France at the time). Shakespeare wrote during Henry VIII's DAUGHTER's reign, Queen Elizabeth I (two monarchs later). Just look at the language for Christ's sake...Chaucer's work - when you do not read it in translation - is barely recognizable as the English we all know and love now: “Whan that Avril with the shures soote/The draughte of Marche hath perced to the roote”, etc. It was still heavily Germanic and Latin, which is of course why English has so many synonyms. Shakespeare is certainly NOT prose, but blank verse, and is absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, Modern English. Old, Middle, and Modern are terms used by Academics and Historians, mainly, in reference to time periods and not in terms of what is considered "old and outdated" in the last few decades. I apologize if I sound like a bit of a witch here, but I majored in Medieval Poetry and you mangled my passion in your assessment.




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Well, I suppose that I should hear about the pilot before I make up my mind about my character.

So how about it Matt?

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Perhaps the comparitive english topic could move to another thread?

I would be inclinde to go with the basic human without augmentation idea.

If nothing else, it takes a significant amount of time to train CAV crew (or I would think so - comparable with modern military combat aircraft). Adding the time and expense of surgery and recovery associated with the "cyber-mod" school of thought and you end up with a small, but deadly combat force, vs a larger but slightly less effective force that can replace losses at a much faster rate (and for less cost in resources too).

From a historical standpoint - with a parity in weapons, the side with numerical superiority wins (think Russia vs Axix in WWII - German troops were better, but the Russians could afford to expend troops at a rate greater than the Germans were using their ammunituion).

Also, the "stray-though" problem would make these things rather dangerous...

"It was just the wrong time of the month for Anna to be cooped up in a cockpit. With one stray though she inadvertantly turned the guns of her Dictator on the main camp.

The first salvo from the mighty gauss cannon obliterated the command tent as the DF missile salve tore through the mess tent, killing half the squadron's infantry as they stood in line waiting for chow.

Unable to halt the rain of destruction in time, she had to admit to a degree of satisfaction as a second salvo of missiles hammered into the tent belonging to that half-wit Watson - scattering smouldering shards of cloth and globets of meat around the impact area."


...Anyway - you get the idea... The difference is fast action vs fast reaction.


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